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A Farewell to Harms
Palin was bad for the Republicans—and the republic.
By Peggy Noonan - Wall Street Journal | Jul 11, 09

Sarah Palin's resignation gives Republicans a new opportunity to see her plain—to review the bidding, see her strengths, acknowledge her limits, and let go of her drama. It is an opportunity they should take. They mean to rebuild a great party. They need to do it on solid ground.

Sarah Palin qualificationHer history does not need to be rehearsed at any length. Ten months ago she was embraced with friendliness by her party. The left and the media immediately overplayed their hand, with attacks on her children. The party rallied round, as a party should. She went on the trail a sensation but demonstrated in the ensuing months that she was not ready to go national and in fact never would be. She was hungry, loved politics, had charm and energy, loved walking onto the stage, waving and doing the stump speech. All good. But she was not thoughtful. She was a gifted retail politician who displayed the disadvantages of being born into a point of view (in her case a form of conservatism; elsewhere and in other circumstances, it could have been a form of liberalism) and swallowing it whole: She never learned how the other sides think, or why.

In television interviews she was out of her depth in a shallow pool. She was limited in her ability to explain and defend her positions, and sometimes in knowing them. She couldn't say what she read because she didn't read anything. She was utterly unconcerned by all this and seemed in fact rather proud of it: It was evidence of her authenticity. She experienced criticism as both partisan and cruel because she could see no truth in any of it. She wasn't thoughtful enough to know she wasn't thoughtful enough. Her presentation up to the end has been scattered, illogical, manipulative and self-referential to the point of self-reverence. "I'm not wired that way," "I'm not a quitter," "I'm standing up for our values." I'm, I'm, I'm.

In another age it might not have been terrible, but here and now it was actually rather horrifying.

McCain-Palin lost. Mrs. Palin has now stepped down, but she continues to poll high among some members of the Republican base, some of whom have taken to telling themselves Palin myths.

To wit, "I love her because she's so working-class." This is a favorite of some party intellectuals. She is not working class, never was, and even she, avid claimer of advantage that she is, never claimed to be and just lets others say it. Her father was a teacher and school track coach, her mother the school secretary. They were middle-class figures of respect, stability and local status. I think intellectuals call her working-class because they see the makeup, the hair, the heels and the sleds and think they're working class "tropes." Because, you know, that's what they teach in "Ways of the Working Class" at Yale and Dartmouth.

What she is, is a seemingly very nice middle-class girl with ambition, appetite and no sense of personal limits.

"She's not Ivy League, that's why her rise has been thwarted! She represented the democratic ideal that you don't have to go to Harvard or Brown to prosper, and her fall represents a failure of egalitarianism." This comes from intellectuals too. They need to be told something. Ronald Reagan went to Eureka College. Richard Nixon went to Whittier College, Joe Biden to the University of Delaware. Sarah Palin graduated in the end from the University of Idaho, a school that happily notes on its Web site that it's included in U.S. News & World Report's top national schools survey. They need to be told, too, that the first Republican president was named "Abe," and he went to Princeton and got a Fulbright. Oh wait, he was an impoverished backwoods autodidact!

America doesn't need Sarah Palin to prove it was, and is, a nation of unprecedented fluidity. Her rise and seeming fall do nothing to prove or refute this.

"The elites hate her." The elites made her. It was the elites of the party, the McCain campaign and the conservative media that picked her and pushed her. The base barely knew who she was. It was the elites, from party operatives to public intellectuals, who advanced her and attacked those who said she lacked heft. She is a complete elite confection. She might as well have been a bonbon.

"She makes the Republican Party look inclusive." She makes the party look stupid, a party of the easily manipulated.

"She shows our ingenuous interest in all classes." She shows your cynicism.

"Now she can prepare herself for higher office by studying up, reading in, boning up on the issues." Mrs. Palin's supporters have been ordering her to spend the next two years reflecting and pondering. But she is a ponder-free zone. She can memorize the names of the presidents of Pakistan, but she is not going to be able to know how to think about Pakistan. Why do her supporters not see this? Maybe they think "not thoughtful" is a working-class trope!

"The media did her in." Her lack of any appropriate modesty did her in. Actually, it's arguable that membership in the self-esteem generation harmed her. For 30 years the self-esteem movement told the young they're perfect in every way. It's yielding something new in history: an entire generation with no proper sense of inadequacy.

"Turning to others means the media won!" No, it means they lose. What the mainstream media wants is not to kill her but to keep her story going forever. She hurts, as they say, the Republican brand, with her mess and her rhetorical jabberwocky and her careless causing of division. Really, she is the most careless sower of discord since George W. Bush, who fractured the party and the movement that made him. Why wouldn't the media want to keep that going?

Here's why all this matters. The world is a dangerous place. It has never been more so, or more complicated, more straining of the reasoning powers of those with actual genius and true judgment. This is a time for conservative leaders who know how to think.

Here are a few examples of what we may face in the next 10 years: a profound and prolonged American crash, with the admission of bankruptcy and the spread of deep social unrest; one or more American cities getting hit with weapons of mass destruction from an unknown source; faint glimmers of actual secessionist movements as Americans for various reasons and in various areas decide the burdens and assumptions of the federal government are no longer attractive or legitimate.

The era we face, that is soon upon us, will require a great deal from our leaders. They had better be sturdy. They will have to be gifted. There will be many who cannot, and should not, make the cut. Now is the time to look for those who can. And so the Republican Party should get serious, as serious as the age, because that is what a grown-up, responsible party—a party that deserves to lead—would do.

It's not a time to be frivolous, or to feel the temptation of resentment, or the temptation of thinking next year will be more or less like last year, and the assumptions of our childhoods will more or less reign in our future. It won't be that way.

We are going to need the best.

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Peggy pretty much nails it here with some tact, I personally wouldn't be so easy on that skank of a Bimbo Palin.  The GOP had better come up with a viable option or they're going to fade away into oblivion.  Which I'm really not sure if that's a bad thing, given the way the GOP has been taken over by NeoCons.

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What I find interesting here is that Obama was never reviewed with near as much intensity as Palin. THe media never questioned his lack of real experience, his politcal orientation toward socialism etc.

In order to give fair treatment he should have undergone the same level of scrutiny! If that had taken place I doubt very much we would have the first half breed president.

Obama's policies certainly to date have not shown any real connection to reality or yet to be proven as being effective in any way shape or form. Where is the media on this guys ass?

To call Palin a skank is is about as acceptable as calling Obama a peasant ! Neither of these two were ready for prime time leadership, but then is there anybody that is?

I am tired of the name calling and vilification of people willing to take part in the electoral process. Remove the emotionalism and stick to facts then a real leader may actually surface.

If I had to choose say between Pelosi and Palin as speaker of the house I would certainly give Palin the thumbs up! Then there is H Reid - another looser in my book or Barney Franks, or our esteemed VP - now there are some serious jokes to laugh at.

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I'm just amazed that they nominated her as a VP, but then again I'm not.  IMO it was nothing but a play by to Puppet Masters to divert the attention away from Obama/Biden.  It's just a manipulation of the "Herd", make them think they're making the choice.

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What I find interesting here is that Obama was never reviewed with near as much intensity as Palin.

 

Wha?? They didn't question Obama's experience? That's not what I recall.

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In order to give fair treatment he should have undergone the same level
of scrutiny! If that had taken place I doubt very much we would have
the first half breed president.

See above comment, coupled with equal finances to level the playhing field.

 

If I had to choose say between Pelosi and Palin as speaker of the house I would certainly give Palin the thumbs up!

 

I would too, begrudgingly. Both are politicians though and both would sell us out.

 

 

 

 

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WHAAAA?!  Let that woman set the agenda for Congress?!  Are you insane?  She tries on interview questions like clothing and still can't get the fit right!  Come on!  

This woman would set things back for all of us - including women.  We need women in politics to show us what women do with issues - not that women can so the same thing as men with the issues. 

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I hear ya, Freeman. Choosing between those two would be a devil's choice. Like I said, BOTH are politicians with agendas. A woman with a third party affiliate might fit the bill, but from what I've seen with women in congress and power, all seem to be an extension of the arm of the gender-feminists. Palin is the exception, but she is an extension of corporate greed and the religious right. The same can be said for many men within congress and men in power as well.

 

We need a third party that is representative of the people. The gender would not be of concdern to me if that was their agenda.

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A third party is not necessarily the answer either. Keep in mind they are all politicians, each has their personal agenda and values which they will promote. Now if you are in sync with them you will sup[port them if not you will not.

I find it interesting that this morning I heard Palin interviewed and she said she will be speaking and campaigning for politicians from both parties when they share a common agenda to promote. Now that is pretty upfront. It is not about the party line but the individual issues. Sarah Palin may just prove to be the one politician that will address issues based on the issue and not simply politics. Go fucking figure.

There is a reason for her appeal to such a large group of people.

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She's the typical whore politician and she's proven it.  Peggy summed her up pretty well in this article, IMO she's the NeoCon "Hillary", just more ignorant .  Puke

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She's the typical whore politician and she's proven it.  Peggy summed her up pretty well in this article, IMO she's the NeoCon "Hillary", just more ignorant .  Puke

Opinions are like assholes - we all have them!
From what I have witnessed Palin is far less a Herder than Clinton and the fact that she is beginning to call out the absurdity of the politics is encouraging. I may not share some of her beliefs but I do respect her for calling bullshit publicly at great risk to a political career. Time will tell if this works for her or not.

Although I was not a huge fan of hers I witnessed the double standards being applied to her and not Obama. I don't like Obama's positions any better as a rule. I wish someone would attack his kids and see what the reaction would be.

The hypocrisy is rampant on both sides of the spectrum and I for one am sick and fucking tired of all the personal attacks and avoidance of the real issues we are facing as a failed nation! If it were my call I would line all the current politicians up against a wall and implement a Stalin purge immediately!

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While she may publicly call bullshit, which may delight you, AO,she has also abused her power and ignored common ethics rules, violating them repeatedly. She's full of the same hubris in which she takes credit for bashing others on. I don't underdstand your logic here, AO. Obama also had the race card pulled against him and ran into inciteful politics and you claim it was only Palin who "suffered" from such antics. What she actually suffered from was her inability to deal with those attacks effectively.

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While she may publicly call bullshit, which may delight you, AO,she has also abused her power and ignored common ethics rules, violating them repeatedly. She's full of the same hubris in which she takes credit for bashing others on. I don't underdstand your logic here, AO. Obama also had the race card pulled against him and ran into inciteful politics and you claim it was only Palin who "suffered" from such antics. What she actually suffered from was her inability to deal with those attacks effectively.

I call bullshit on the "violation of ethics" charges you claim. Show me one just one instance where she has been found guilty of such ethics violation. Put the facts where your mouth is on this issue!

You don't understand logic period - whether its mine or another's! Get the facts straight - cut the fucking emotional assessments out and you may just begin to get a clue.
By the way who was it you voted for again - be honest now. Feeling a bit like you made a mistake on that vote casting?
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Who raised the race card - I believe if you retrace the facts the Obama camp played it before anyone else  and much to his electoral advantage. The other side was running in fear to even get close to playing that card. Hey ask the Clinton's about who played the race card first! Pull your head out of your ass and review the facts! I challenge you to do so on this issue!

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Mysandrist Fool wrote:

While she may publicly call bullshit, which may delight you, AO,she has also abused her power and ignored common ethics rules, violating them repeatedly. She's full of the same hubris in which she takes credit for bashing others on. I don't underdstand your logic here, AO. Obama also had the race card pulled against him and ran into inciteful politics and you claim it was only Palin who "suffered" from such antics. What she actually suffered from was her inability to deal with those attacks effectively.

I call bullshit on the "violation of ethics" charges you claim. Show me one just one instance where she has been found guilty of such ethics violation. Put the facts where your mouth is on this issue!

You don't understand logic period - whether its mine or another's! Get the facts straight - cut the fucking emotional assessments out and you may just begin to get a clue.
By the way who was it you voted for again - be honest now. Feeling a bit like you made a mistake on that vote casting?
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Who raised the race card - I believe if you retrace the facts the Obama camp played it before anyone else  and much to his electoral advantage. The other side was running in fear to even get close to playing that card. Hey ask the Clinton's about who played the race card first! Pull your head out of your ass and review the facts! I challenge you to do so on this issue!

Show me just one instance  where 'Dubya, Cheney and Company have been found guilty.  Doesn't mean shit dude, they get away with it, that's what they do.  Jerk Off

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I actually applaud the attempt of McCain to get someone like Palin in the public eye.  As was pointed out in the piece, though, this is a dangerous world we live in, and whoever is in power needs to at least have some idea of what they're facing.  Palin didn't have a clue.  It wasn't about liking her or her ideas.  We had to ask the question -- what if McCain became incapacittated or died and Palin took over.  Could she handle it?  The answer is no.  That's the issue.

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I actually applaud the attempt of McCain to get someone like Palin in the public eye.  As was pointed out in the piece, though, this is a dangerous world we live in, and whoever is in power needs to at least have some idea of what they're facing.  Palin didn't have a clue.  It wasn't about liking her or her ideas.  We had to ask the question -- what if McCain became incapacittated or died and Palin took over.  Could she handle it?  The answer is no.  That's the issue.


And Joe Biden is better qualified! Give me a fucking break! The choices simply were not there regardless.

As for making false accusations or claims of unethical behavior - so far none have been proven or any legal basis for such claims proven. End of story. Simply filing a claim doesn't make it true. IMO people who bring such charges should be held accountable financially and considered for criminal charges. It is so easy to pay a nominal filing fee to make such claims but thats where the claimant accountability ends. This results far too often with resources both public and private being consumed and distracts from more important issues being addressed. This IMO is an abuse of a legal system for political gains only and that is criminal IMO!
I may not like a lot of things politicians do or stand for, but just because I disagree with them does not make them wrong and me right necessarily. When there is a weak or unwarranted claim then the approach is to attack on another level that holds no recourse for the injured party. That is not the Rule of Law I want to be governed by! Accountability needs to be applied equally - winner should then take all and the loser - well they lose!
Just like Joe Friday said, "the facts lady, just the facts"! Cut the emotionalism out and stick to the facts, hear say not permitted, just the facts.
This is all part of the problem in this country - truth and facts be damned, lets just destroy the person we disagree with. We should be ashamed of ourselves to have gotten to this point and not to have moved forward in our evolution as reasonable thinking species!
Pretty sick fucking world we are living in when truth isn't rewarded and lying is!

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People are held responsible financially and legally. If it comes out that you had no basis for your claim, or your evidence is fake or in fact illegally acquired, you can be found in contempt, which carries 4-digit fines and maybe a jail sentence.

The only reason I had little respect for Palin is simple: McCain dragged her along to get the women to vote for him, and did that work? Hell no, Obama won the election by a landslide.

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People are held responsible financially and legally. If it comes out that you had no basis for your claim, or your evidence is fake or in fact illegally acquired, you can be found in contempt, which carries 4-digit fines and maybe a jail sentence.

The only reason I had little respect for Palin is simple: McCain dragged her along to get the women to vote for him, and did that work? Hell no, Obama won the election by a landslide.


Wrong, there was no landslide for Obama. He did carry the necessary electoral votes however. Look at the facts and actual numbers - no landslide from what I can see.

Yes, Palin was selected in hopes of carrying more women voters and/or Hillary supporters. But then Biden was chosen for all his years of political experience because Obama had zip of his own. Look what that got us!

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